up next is steve forbes. >> later, more members -- interviews with retiring members of congress. retiring nebraska senator bill nelson -- he served two terms and was part of the so-called gang of 14 to negotiate a compromise over judicial negotiations. 40 minutes later, interviews with two retiring house members. first, california republican jerry lewis, who chaired the appropriations committee. later, a conversation with california democrat lynn woolsey. >> i enjoy that it is straight forward. it is comprehensive. it has what is happening without a pundit interjecting. that is what i really appreciate about c-span. is a great resource for anyone looking to become more familiar with how government works. >> julie watches c-span on bryson. c-span -- created by america's cable companies in 1979. brought you as a public service by your television provider. >> a look at the u.s. capitol here, where work continues in an effort to avoid the so-called fiscal clift of tax hikes and spending cuts that will take effect jan. 1. earlier, the house dabbled in for a pro forma session with no l